The phrase "going against the grain" could have been invented for Rachel Perkins. Bring up any contemporary issue surrounding mental health and, chances are, the Mind Champion of the Year will come back with a question about why a particular approach is being taken and then advocate for an alternative.
State benefits, a hot topic, is a case in point. As someone who describes herself as "a child of old Labour", Perkins appears slightly uncomfortable that her views on benefits are in some ways in line with those of the Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government. She says she is "torn" by some Conservative plans, such as caps on housing benefit, yet is in agreement with the proposal for "tapering" benefit payments so that people are incentivised to work. "So that every hour that someone workscounts," she says.
Equal citizens
She goes on to argue that the focus by some campaigners on defending entitlement to benefits can reinforce the perception that people with mental health difficulties need to be cared for, rather than being thought of as equal citizens. "Instead of talking about the right to work, we are now talking about the right to benefits. I don't think that's terribly healthy," she says.
"Every human being gains their self-worth from being able to contribute to their communities – and let's face it, the most socially sanctioned way to do that is with work."
Perkins, a clinical psychologist, is probably best known for her impressive efforts to get people with mental health problems back into work, and has spearheaded employment programmes at South West London and St George's mental health trust.
Civil rights is at the core of what Perkins advocates, and she raises the topic frequently. Discussions around mental illness should resemble those around physical disability, she says, where the emphasis has been successfully rooted not on impairment but in a "rights-based agenda". In part, her inspiration heralds from a strand of mental health advocacy in the US that promotes a "peer support" approach to recovery and firmly places mental health in the realm of a broader rights agenda.
The difficulty for mental health campaigners in Britain, she suggests, is that they can end up ghettoised when they should be tapping into wide-ranging issues around exclusion. Equally, too many of the messages put out about mental illness are couched in negative terms, she claims. "The mental health movement has spent so long looking inwards at the sort of services people get, not better lives. One of the things I really hated about the mental health world was its aura of doom and gloom. It was always, 'You can't do anything because of stigma and prejudice.' [The] image of possibility often gets lost in the conversation about stigma. I'm not some romantic, but [change] is possible."
In particular, Perkins gives short shrift to anti-stigma campaigns, which have attracted substantial funding in recent years. "I don't have any evidence that they [work]. I prefer not to use the term stigma, because it attaches to the person. We don't talk about the stigma of race. We talk about racism. The problem with anti-stigma campaigns is that they identify the class of people by their impairment," she says. "I want to see some empirical data [that they help people to get] a home and a job. The bottom line [is] I want to change behaviour."
Discrimination
As her long career in the NHS nears its end, one of the themes that Perkins, 55, intends to persevere with is challenging the expectations of the state and employers when it comes to getting people into work and keeping them there. Mental health awareness training is not the answer to discrimination, she insists, adding that it is wrongheaded to demand that employers do the "heavy lifting" for people with mental health problems in the workplace when the state should do more.
When asked in 2009 by the last government to head a review into how to support more people with mental health problems into work, for example, Perkins proposed that employers be given financialcompensation by the state to cover some of the cost of long periods of health-related absence.
The ability to work was vital to how Perkins dealt with her own mental health difficulties, which manifested in the early 1990s. But her ambition goes beyond getting people jobs. She wants a transformation in how mental health is perceived. "We've got to look at civil rights in the context of mental health and citizenship, rather than, 'You are a poor unfortunate.' That kind of thing is a hiding to more discrimination."
Spitting people out
Perkins's career path offers some insight into how her views have evolved. She considered going into academia after finishing her PhD but quickly came to the conclusion that research was dull. She applied to train as a clinical psychologist only to find herself rejected as someone who would "wilt" outside the confines of a university. Undeterred, she applied for and got a job as assistant psychologist at Broadmoor, the high security psychiatric institution.
The experience reaffirmed what she instinctively felt: "I've always been concerned about the way our society is very good at spitting people out at the bottom. That's always bothered me."
Clinical training followed, as well as several other jobs, including stints in "the old state bins", the large Victorian asylums that once warehoused patients. Perkins attributes her belief that work is the best route to a better life to those early experiences. She describes one institution she helped close in 1990: "There were 40 beds to a dormitory. There were four baths in every bathroom. It's not a long time ago. They weren't safe places. Far from it. The average stay in that place was 30 years."
Winning the Mind Champion of the Year award last month is particularly special, says Perkins, because it was voted for by the public. Perkins beat household names such as Bill Oddie and Ruby Wax to take the gong. "I think [winning the Mind award] was much nicer than the OBE [awarded in June]," she says. "Being voted for was much better."
Perkins has no intention of easing into retirement and will be taking up consulting roles. "We've got to totally rethink mental health services," she says. "We need to be building up communities to accommodate mental distress and put professionals back in their boxes. I think what we've done is over-professionalise mental health."
Elaborating, Perkins explains that the irony of improvements in mental health service provision over the past 30 or so years – such as closing large asylums, introducing community-based services, and better access to a range of therapies – is that mental illness has been pathologised in a way that unwittingly promotes social exclusion of "a whole class" of people.
"The more we've developed highly sophisticated mental health services, the more, when we experience distress, we think, 'I've got to go to the experts.' Then [our] nearest and dearest think, 'Oh my god, they are not safe in my untrained hands. I've got to leave it to the experts.'"
It's not that mental health professionals aren't important or that therapy, drugs and other kinds of treatment don't have their place, Perkins insists. It is that an over-reliance on them stalls progress. "I'm not opposed to medication [for mental illness]. It's one of the things I use," she says.
What concerns Perkins is that often when trying to improve services – the recent emphasis by politicians and practitioners on "talking therapies", for example – the bigger questions around civil rights, dignity and independence are lost. "I don't believe that psychological therapy solves all ills. The more we translate the entire human process into therapy the more we render ordinary human misery and disturbance to the experts," she says.
Perkins's continued outspoken views on what still needs to change in the mental health arena are likely to ruffle the feathers of her fellow professionals and, if the ideas she promotes are eventually adopted, they could radically alter the way services are delivered.
State benefits, a hot topic, is a case in point. As someone who describes herself as "a child of old Labour", Perkins appears slightly uncomfortable that her views on benefits are in some ways in line with those of the Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government. She says she is "torn" by some Conservative plans, such as caps on housing benefit, yet is in agreement with the proposal for "tapering" benefit payments so that people are incentivised to work. "So that every hour that someone workscounts," she says.
Equal citizens
She goes on to argue that the focus by some campaigners on defending entitlement to benefits can reinforce the perception that people with mental health difficulties need to be cared for, rather than being thought of as equal citizens. "Instead of talking about the right to work, we are now talking about the right to benefits. I don't think that's terribly healthy," she says.
"Every human being gains their self-worth from being able to contribute to their communities – and let's face it, the most socially sanctioned way to do that is with work."
Perkins, a clinical psychologist, is probably best known for her impressive efforts to get people with mental health problems back into work, and has spearheaded employment programmes at South West London and St George's mental health trust.
Civil rights is at the core of what Perkins advocates, and she raises the topic frequently. Discussions around mental illness should resemble those around physical disability, she says, where the emphasis has been successfully rooted not on impairment but in a "rights-based agenda". In part, her inspiration heralds from a strand of mental health advocacy in the US that promotes a "peer support" approach to recovery and firmly places mental health in the realm of a broader rights agenda.
The difficulty for mental health campaigners in Britain, she suggests, is that they can end up ghettoised when they should be tapping into wide-ranging issues around exclusion. Equally, too many of the messages put out about mental illness are couched in negative terms, she claims. "The mental health movement has spent so long looking inwards at the sort of services people get, not better lives. One of the things I really hated about the mental health world was its aura of doom and gloom. It was always, 'You can't do anything because of stigma and prejudice.' [The] image of possibility often gets lost in the conversation about stigma. I'm not some romantic, but [change] is possible."
In particular, Perkins gives short shrift to anti-stigma campaigns, which have attracted substantial funding in recent years. "I don't have any evidence that they [work]. I prefer not to use the term stigma, because it attaches to the person. We don't talk about the stigma of race. We talk about racism. The problem with anti-stigma campaigns is that they identify the class of people by their impairment," she says. "I want to see some empirical data [that they help people to get] a home and a job. The bottom line [is] I want to change behaviour."
Discrimination
As her long career in the NHS nears its end, one of the themes that Perkins, 55, intends to persevere with is challenging the expectations of the state and employers when it comes to getting people into work and keeping them there. Mental health awareness training is not the answer to discrimination, she insists, adding that it is wrongheaded to demand that employers do the "heavy lifting" for people with mental health problems in the workplace when the state should do more.
When asked in 2009 by the last government to head a review into how to support more people with mental health problems into work, for example, Perkins proposed that employers be given financialcompensation by the state to cover some of the cost of long periods of health-related absence.
The ability to work was vital to how Perkins dealt with her own mental health difficulties, which manifested in the early 1990s. But her ambition goes beyond getting people jobs. She wants a transformation in how mental health is perceived. "We've got to look at civil rights in the context of mental health and citizenship, rather than, 'You are a poor unfortunate.' That kind of thing is a hiding to more discrimination."
Spitting people out
Perkins's career path offers some insight into how her views have evolved. She considered going into academia after finishing her PhD but quickly came to the conclusion that research was dull. She applied to train as a clinical psychologist only to find herself rejected as someone who would "wilt" outside the confines of a university. Undeterred, she applied for and got a job as assistant psychologist at Broadmoor, the high security psychiatric institution.
The experience reaffirmed what she instinctively felt: "I've always been concerned about the way our society is very good at spitting people out at the bottom. That's always bothered me."
Clinical training followed, as well as several other jobs, including stints in "the old state bins", the large Victorian asylums that once warehoused patients. Perkins attributes her belief that work is the best route to a better life to those early experiences. She describes one institution she helped close in 1990: "There were 40 beds to a dormitory. There were four baths in every bathroom. It's not a long time ago. They weren't safe places. Far from it. The average stay in that place was 30 years."
Winning the Mind Champion of the Year award last month is particularly special, says Perkins, because it was voted for by the public. Perkins beat household names such as Bill Oddie and Ruby Wax to take the gong. "I think [winning the Mind award] was much nicer than the OBE [awarded in June]," she says. "Being voted for was much better."
Perkins has no intention of easing into retirement and will be taking up consulting roles. "We've got to totally rethink mental health services," she says. "We need to be building up communities to accommodate mental distress and put professionals back in their boxes. I think what we've done is over-professionalise mental health."
Elaborating, Perkins explains that the irony of improvements in mental health service provision over the past 30 or so years – such as closing large asylums, introducing community-based services, and better access to a range of therapies – is that mental illness has been pathologised in a way that unwittingly promotes social exclusion of "a whole class" of people.
"The more we've developed highly sophisticated mental health services, the more, when we experience distress, we think, 'I've got to go to the experts.' Then [our] nearest and dearest think, 'Oh my god, they are not safe in my untrained hands. I've got to leave it to the experts.'"
It's not that mental health professionals aren't important or that therapy, drugs and other kinds of treatment don't have their place, Perkins insists. It is that an over-reliance on them stalls progress. "I'm not opposed to medication [for mental illness]. It's one of the things I use," she says.
What concerns Perkins is that often when trying to improve services – the recent emphasis by politicians and practitioners on "talking therapies", for example – the bigger questions around civil rights, dignity and independence are lost. "I don't believe that psychological therapy solves all ills. The more we translate the entire human process into therapy the more we render ordinary human misery and disturbance to the experts," she says.
Perkins's continued outspoken views on what still needs to change in the mental health arena are likely to ruffle the feathers of her fellow professionals and, if the ideas she promotes are eventually adopted, they could radically alter the way services are delivered.
